1.4 Comparing Externships and Clinics – Two Sites of Experiential Learning

Gemma Smyth

Comparing Externships and Clinics – Two Sites of Experiential Learning

Co-op placements, internships, clinics, and externships are all types of “experiential” programs that typically involve real clients, cases, and/or issues. They are distinguished from simulations in which experience is the primary form of education, but without directly impacting clients.

Externships and clinics share some similar goals. They both value learning from experience, require some engagement with clients and/or communities outside the walls of a law school, and often have a seminar component that supplements students’ on-site work. They also have unique aspects, set out below.

While most clinics and externships in Canada have a social justice or access to justice orientation, that is not universally true of either clinics or externships. Sometimes, the in-class or seminar component includes social justice or access to justice content that supports critique of dominant approaches to legal practice.

Externships and clinics share certain goals, but they are also distinct learning experiences. How? Clinics usually involve a group of students working in a single organisation. This means that students can share information about client matters with one another, and sometimes in a clinic classroom as well (depending on whether the instructor is a clinic lawyer). Clinic classrooms often dig into issues directly impacting the lawyer-client (and community) relationship and the particular context of the clinic’s work. Externships typically involve a small number of students placed in many different organisations. This means students are working on different substantive legal issues with different supervisors in different organisational contexts. Students therefore cannot talk about clients in ways that would divulge their identity. Some externship placements do not want students talking about certain litigation strategies, policies, or other matters, depending on the sensitivity of the issues.

The law school also has no legal or governance authority over externship sites (other than the university policies impacting all students). This means the organisational context of practice is very important to critically examine (meaning, the policies, procedures, relevant workplace legislation, etc.). Because the externship site typically does not operate with students by design (unlike student legal aid clinics, for example), an externship placement requires significant student autonomy and self-direction. It also provides for rich opportunities for learning from peers. Since most law student colleagues are placed in different workplace settings, students can take advantage of learning about many contexts of practice at once. However, students might not get the same intense exposure to client representation in an area of law available in a clinic. Much of this depends on the nature of the placement site, so it is important to carefully choose which site will provide the desired type of learning.

Robert Seibel and Linda Morton wrote about lessons from early experiments with externships (or “field placements”) in the United States. They argued that externships provide distinct learning experiences not available in either the classroom or the clinic. In their view, they are sites that include a great variety of practice skills, and also emphasize self-directed learning, managing uncertainty and deepening students’ understanding of lawyers and legal systems. (See Robert F Seibel & Linda H Morton, “Field Placement Programs: Practices, Problems and Possibilities” (1996) 2 Clinical L Rev 413)

Regardless, both clinics and externships are important ways for students to learn about practice, themselves, access to justice, and many other important lessons.

Reflection Questions

  1. If you have worked in or volunteered at a clinic, what contextual elements did you notice that might overlap with your externship, and vice versa? What might differ?
  2. In your view, how should students understand the relationship between learning in a clinical environment and an externship? How could these experiences complement one another in a student’s learning journey?
  3. In her 2009 article, Nadia Chiesa sets out five lessons she learned in her placement at CLASP (Community and Legal Aid Services Programme) at Osgoode Hall, some of which are common in externship placements. Students often question their role as expert, struggle with the injustice built into systems that are ostensibly about accessing justice, becoming comfortable with discomfort, and other important lawyering lessons. Which of these resonate with you in your particular context? 

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